<html>
<head><meta charset="utf-8"><title>initial meeting agenda · t-lang/meta · Zulip Chat Archive</title></head>
<h2>Stream: <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/196563-t-lang/meta/index.html">t-lang/meta</a></h2>
<h3>Topic: <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/196563-t-lang/meta/topic/initial.20meeting.20agenda.html">initial meeting agenda</a></h3>

<hr>

<base href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com">

<head><link href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/style.css" rel="stylesheet"></head>

<a name="164710533"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/196563-t-lang/meta/topic/initial%20meeting%20agenda/near/164710533" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/196563-t-lang/meta/topic/initial.20meeting.20agenda.html#164710533">(May 02 2019 at 14:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>So <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="203289">@boats</span> and I were talking this morning and we sketched an initial agenda for the 1st meta working meeting in <a href="https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/meta-working-group--AcWKhSBng462aOC8LT8guhB5Ag-CLZabEcgkroWWNEEcnneL" target="_blank" title="https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/meta-working-group--AcWKhSBng462aOC8LT8guhB5Ag-CLZabEcgkroWWNEEcnneL">this paper document</a>.</p>



<a name="164710539"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/196563-t-lang/meta/topic/initial%20meeting%20agenda/near/164710539" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/196563-t-lang/meta/topic/initial.20meeting.20agenda.html#164710539">(May 02 2019 at 14:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>(It doesn't start for some time)</p>



<a name="164724761"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/196563-t-lang/meta/topic/initial%20meeting%20agenda/near/164724761" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/196563-t-lang/meta/topic/initial.20meeting.20agenda.html#164724761">(May 02 2019 at 16:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>Initial meeting starting in 5 minutes... <a href="https://zoom.us/j/592788632" target="_blank" title="https://zoom.us/j/592788632">zoom link</a></p>



<a name="164725013"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/196563-t-lang/meta/topic/initial%20meeting%20agenda/near/164725013" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/196563-t-lang/meta/topic/initial.20meeting.20agenda.html#164725013">(May 02 2019 at 16:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>BTW I created a <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1411">@T-lang/WG-meta</span> user group that people can add themselves to</p>



<a name="164725064"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/196563-t-lang/meta/topic/initial%20meeting%20agenda/near/164725064" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/196563-t-lang/meta/topic/initial.20meeting.20agenda.html#164725064">(May 02 2019 at 16:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>(To do so, you go to Manage Organization with the gear in the upper corner, I think)</p>



<a name="164780914"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/196563-t-lang/meta/topic/initial%20meeting%20agenda/near/164780914" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/196563-t-lang/meta/topic/initial.20meeting.20agenda.html#164780914">(May 03 2019 at 09:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hey <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1411">@T-lang/WG-meta</span> : <a href="https://internals.rust-lang.org/t/lang-team-meta-working-group/9989/2" target="_blank" title="https://internals.rust-lang.org/t/lang-team-meta-working-group/9989/2">Posted notes from our initial meeting here</a>. Let me know if you see anything missing or which you think I inaccurately summarized, etc.</p>



<a name="164781069"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/196563-t-lang/meta/topic/initial%20meeting%20agenda/near/164781069" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/196563-t-lang/meta/topic/initial.20meeting.20agenda.html#164781069">(May 03 2019 at 09:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>Also I added folks who were at the meeting to <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1411">@T-lang/WG-meta</span> just now, so if you didn't get the ping about the meeting notes (see <span aria-label="point up" class="emoji emoji-1f446" role="img" title="point up">:point_up:</span>), you should now. =) </p>
<p>(General reminder that people can add themselves easily.)</p>



<a name="164841428"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/196563-t-lang/meta/topic/initial%20meeting%20agenda/near/164841428" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Elahn Ientile <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/196563-t-lang/meta/topic/initial.20meeting.20agenda.html#164841428">(May 04 2019 at 00:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>Regarding, "we need to be able to communicate when we have eliminated options from discussion – and not relitigate those questions." The <em>reasons</em> for elimination need to be clear in order to avoid relitigation, otherwise "aggressive moderation" will feel like ignoring valid feedback. </p>
<p>Providing references for those reasons would also be helpful, along with a statement for newcomers like: "if you think these reasons are invalid, please read the referenced discussion and see if your objections have been addressed previously. If not, we'd love to know why these reasons are invalid, so we can reopen the discussion." And we could link to a guide with some good examples of how to do this with more than subjective feelings.</p>
<p>This "gets people on the same page" and allows them to dig into why options were dismissed, without needing to read the entire original design discussion(s).</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Also I added folks who were at the meeting to <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1411">@T-lang/WG-meta</span> just now, so if you didn't get the ping about the meeting notes (see <span aria-label="point up" class="emoji emoji-1f446" role="img" title="point up">:point_up:</span>), you should now. =) </p>
<p>(General reminder that people can add themselves easily.)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I can't add myself. ( <a href="/user_uploads/4715/kSAZYdoLgLWZ7gTCXfzb-zFv/Screenshot_2019-05-04-40-t-lang-wg-meta-rust-lang-Zulip.png" target="_blank" title="Screenshot_2019-05-04-40-t-lang-wg-meta-rust-lang-Zulip.png">screenshot</a> )</p>
<div class="message_inline_image"><a href="/user_uploads/4715/kSAZYdoLgLWZ7gTCXfzb-zFv/Screenshot_2019-05-04-40-t-lang-wg-meta-rust-lang-Zulip.png" target="_blank" title="screenshot"><img src="/user_uploads/4715/kSAZYdoLgLWZ7gTCXfzb-zFv/Screenshot_2019-05-04-40-t-lang-wg-meta-rust-lang-Zulip.png"></a></div>



<a name="164992561"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/196563-t-lang/meta/topic/initial%20meeting%20agenda/near/164992561" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/196563-t-lang/meta/topic/initial.20meeting.20agenda.html#164992561">(May 06 2019 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>Huh, I thought it was user addable. OK.</p>



<hr><p>Last updated: Aug 07 2021 at 22:04 UTC</p>
</html>